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 Post subject: Oathstone...functional or fallacy?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:56 pm 
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I wasnt able to play in the last tourny due to helping a friend move. people before games. Anyway i was able to show up and watch a round of play.

i watched a dwarf player with an oathstone. He put a thane with stone in unit of 19 ironbreakers. In his first game vs high elf he just used it as magic resistance and it worked fine. but for 30 pts? why dont you just by the MR talisman rune?
The next game he dropped the oathstone when charged in the flank and broke the bretonnia charge of knights of the realm with a hero. Then the unit just sat there while shot at by trebuchet and while the rest of the bretonnian army ran through his other unit of warriors and all his shooty units and anvil.

As a dwarf i told him that the oathstone is not worth it and should never ever be taken.

Was i right by telling him this? What are you thoughts on the I-dont-move-anymore-stone? Have you ever used it and has it been worthwhile?

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I like them and take them on occassions particularly in smaller games. Yes you can get MR 1 from RO Sanctuary cheaper but this always means fewer points to spend on your Thanes runic items.

When I use them I tend to give them to a flank unit or a unit acting as a rearguard, they provide a nice way to hold up an enemy advance while the rest of your army does its thing. Should never drop them too early though, always a last resort.

They can actually work well you take a unit of 20 Longbeards with RO Stoicism and RO Battle with a Thane with Oath Stone - he drops the stone and you are looking at a US 42 unit with a CR of 6 before combat even starts --> Outnumber, Banner, War Banner, 3 ranks (Oath Stones mean you dont lose them). If you keep your battle line together (as you should) then another unit should always been on hand to flank charge any enemy hitting the stone unit. Can work wonders.

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Well, for a army that sits, why not take it? I would just put it on some character that never gets into the battle anyway and put him behind the front lines.

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Kiwi,

That sounds like a nasty little group of stunites you've put together in that unit ;)

I'm with you when you say this about oath stones... "When I use them I tend to give them to a flank unit "

I held up a flank and denied the enemy a table quarter in one of the handful of times that I have ever fielded dwarfs.

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Yeah it is kind of nasty, I used it against VC once. I left that one unit of Longbeards kind of out to my left as a juicy target he went into it with everything looking at rolling up my flank.

Down went the Oath Stone, out came double unit strength etc, I always outnumbered so not worried about fear, and he kept losing on CR. Think unit was facing big block of Skeletons, Black Knights, and some Banshees and it didnt go anywhere. Meanwhile my two blocks of Hammerers rolled through everything else turned around and went WHAMO into the Oath Stone combat.

Know of 1 other Dwarf player in NZ who was working on a unit of 50 Longbeards with RO Stoicism, RO Battle and BSB with MR Fear ROSanctuary and Oath Stone. Looking at US 104, with 3 ranks, outnumber, standard, warbanner, BSB, no flanks or rear, and causing FEAR.

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 Post subject: Re: Oathstone...functional or fallacy?
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They can be useful out on the flank to anchor it, a lot like hammerers or slayers can do. I personally dislike oathstones. They're fluffy, and I like that, but the unit becomes much too vulnerable due to the fact its now a sitting target and easy to ignore. Also, the thane must always issue and accept challenges and you lose more victory points from its loss/fleeing. In my eyes I don't really like its use and would rather spend the points elsewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Oathstone...functional or fallacy?
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I often take them for the MR1 they give as it means I dont have to spend points on the RO Sanctuary and give my characters extra weapon or armour runes. If you could pick them up again it would be good.

In tournament play I think they are worth it for situations where you are going to get outflanked a lot

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 Post subject: Re: Oathstone...functional or fallacy?
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Hm, I can see your point there. I just generally dislike them, finding they hinder more that help. Of course, dropping a unit of 30 ironbreakers with RoStocisim at a bottleneck point could be an interesting point in the game. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Oathstone...functional or fallacy?
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it could be taken for mr so you save rune points

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 Post subject: Re: Oathstone...functional or fallacy?
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yeah its pretty good but i like cheese better

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 Post subject: Re: Oathstone...functional or fallacy?
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cheese has nothing to do with it. what kind of cheese?

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dwarf cheese. naturally.

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 Post subject: Re: Oathstone...functional or fallacy?
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lol. ever tryed dwarf ham

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thigh or breast?

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presurved i dunno

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