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 Post subject: Re: wood elf bows
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:05 pm 
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The trick I have found for close combat with wood elves is to send multiple units at the one target. I usually run 3 units of 8 dryads and a unit of 8 wardancers, split into two groups. I assign an alter noble with great weapon and helm of the hunt to accompany the wardancers. Using multiple charges usually kills most units I send them against.



I have actually considered...and I know this is heresy...ranking up some glade guard, giving them a command just to provide s.c.r. to keep the Wardancers around. I have combo charged with my Dryads and Wardancers a couple times and not had a lot of success. That includes against unranked Night Goblin spearmen and against some Tomb King block that of course means you must kill every one of them., I actually did 4 or 5 casualties with the Dryads, but he was able to resurrect them as fast as I slew them.

I think a real downside to doing it any other way is the Skirmishing nature of Dryads and Wardancers means they do not remove rank bonuses which means they often have to do 4 or 5 casualties just to break even...and with S3 (S4 on charge for Wardancers) they just are not going to do that against Dwarfs, Orcs, Chaos, Ogres...and so far have not against Dark Elfs or other T3 troops. :x

One reason I thought about ranking the Glade Guard just to give them some time to do their deeds.

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 Post subject: Re: wood elf bows
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:09 am 
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You know what can kill your "mighty" force? A flaming Dwarf cannonball to your treeman's face.

Not if its raining...


And hey dryads are fear causing strenth 4. Take enough and i dont see how its likely you could lose to Night gobbos or the like.

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 Post subject: Re: wood elf bows
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:55 am 
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lol I live in Oregon...it is ALWAYS raining...

Mostly because even at S4 and causing fear, lets say I have 8 Dryads. The gobbos go 6 wide, I will get what...5 into close combat? Now, they start ahead with outnumbering, 3 ranks, banner, say +5 they start with, assuming they do not add via War Banner or something like that. Now, I have 10 attacks (champion costs as much as another Dryad so why take one?) needing 3s to hit, so lets round up and say I hit 7 times. S4, Ts, I needs 3s, so 4-5 wounds done...lets say 5.

In short, everything has to go right just to TIE the combat. If anything goes wrong...i wound less, they get a wound through...I have a good shot at losing the combat. And if the gobbos have spears, they will attack back 7 times 9assuming I killed their champ), hit 4 times, wound 1.33, I save one in three...

Of course, I can get a +1 by flank charging with another unit...which should give me another few casualties...but it is not much of an upset to me losing even to a sub-par close combat unit. Not that I will not keep trying. As little success as I have had with Dryads and Wardancers...just love the concept too much to quit.

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 Post subject: Re: wood elf bows
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:11 am 
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the thing is youl find if they play 6 gobbos across front ul fit 6 dryads, as of manimising the combat, which should give u say at least another wound. U pay for the champion so you have an extra attack that could make the difference in battles like this, where you are never going to outnumber anyway. Second, the gobbos have to pass their ld 6 fear test.

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 Post subject: Re: wood elf bows
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:47 pm 
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It's also worth noting that the only way to kill the Gobbo unit champ is to assign attacks to him and if you do that they don't carry over onto the unit potentially wasting attacks and wounds to kill a 1w model that gains an extra attack back. As well as the fact the Goblins are more than likely going to be near a general to make up for the fact they have appalling leadership. Even if they fail the test on average you will draw the combat against them, they don't strike back due to fear and they have a musician, you lose by 1.

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 Post subject: Re: wood elf bows
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:51 pm 
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you would get 8 for 6 wide gobbos

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 Post subject: Re: wood elf bows
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:07 am 
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if orcy is right, dryads win 4 sure. And if the gobbo general is near, thats still only ld 7,8, possibly 9, which is what you'll have if you lose combat by 1, considering your general is also nearby

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 Post subject: Re: wood elf bows
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:28 pm 
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OK I WANT TO GET THIS TO EVERYBODY. IF YOU KILL ALL THE MODELS IN THE UNIT BUT HAVE WOUNDS LEFT OVER AFTER SAVES YOU DO PUT THEM ONTO THE CHAMP UNLESS HE HAS DIFFERENT ARMOUR OR TOUGHNESS

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 Post subject: Re: wood elf bows
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:43 pm 
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orcy wrote:
OK I WANT TO GET THIS TO EVERYBODY. IF YOU KILL ALL THE MODELS IN THE UNIT BUT HAVE WOUNDS LEFT OVER AFTER SAVES YOU DO PUT THEM ONTO THE CHAMP UNLESS HE HAS DIFFERENT ARMOUR OR TOUGHNESS


Well of course. But after saves, there won't be any people to kill. Normal core troops almost always die before Command (unless a challange). Then, if it's just Command then I usually take off Musician, then Standard, then Champion.

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 Post subject: Re: wood elf bows
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yes powner but every one else does not know it

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